Marriage: Trap or Sanctuary? [With Pearl]

What Boomers Don't Understand

Men are waking up to how much marriage can cost them. hoe_math and Pearl break down why guys everywhere—from all backgrounds—are seeing marriage as a bad deal. Divorce stories aren't just about picking the "wrong woman;" even the most traditional guys have been burned hard. hoe_math uses a simple idea: when society forces people to stay married, or when there's zero commitment, marriage quality tanks. The sweet spot? Just enough consequence for breaking vows so marriage actually means something.

They joke about making marriage contracts like sports deals or adding star ratings to marriages, questioning why any man would sign up when even Tom Brady couldn't win at marriage. At the end of the day, hoe_math says the only real reason men take the plunge is the belief they won’t get another shot with someone that good—even when they know it could cost them everything. Pearl doesn’t see why men would marry anymore, and hoe_math admits the risk alone makes the thought terrifying, even if you’re 50/50 on going through with it.

0|70|Perspectives|Changing Views on Marriage|Personal experiences and interviews with men from various backgrounds reveal a widespread perception that marriage is increasingly disadvantageous for men, regardless of cultural or religious context.  
70|180|Constraints|Marriage Constraints and Quality|The discussion explores how different levels of societal or legal constraints impact the quality of marriages, suggesting that both extreme freedom and extreme restriction can result in unhappiness, while some balanced constraints may benefit both partners and society.  
180|260|Opt-out|Opt-out Clauses in Marriage|The idea of providing men with an opt-out clause in marriage is considered, prompted by observations of unhappy marriages where wives become disengaged or disrespectful, leading to negative outcomes for their husbands.  
260|320|Alternatives|Redesigning Marriage Contracts|Alternative marriage structures, such as limited-term contracts or review systems, are discussed as ways to better align with human nature and modern societal changes, potentially making marriage more appealing or fair.  
320|400|Risks|Perceived Risks for Men|The participants reflect on the high perceived risks for men in marriage, such as losing everything in divorce, and why some men still choose to marry despite knowing the odds.  
400|450|Dilemmas|Personal Dilemmas About Marriage|The conversation concludes with a personal account of the anxiety and uncertainty men feel when deciding whether to marry, especially when weighing the risks against the possibility of not finding another suitable partner.

0.0 When I first entered this space, I didn't understand why men had such a negative view of marriage. I thought marriage was good, since my parents were married and I came from a small school where only two or three people out of my class had divorced. 30.0 But then I started interviewing men and hearing their divorce stories. 40.0 My initial thought was, "Not all women are like that," and I assumed these men were just picking super liberal women. 50.0 However, I interviewed men from very traditional backgrounds—extreme Muslim, extreme Christian, even a guy from Michael Knowles's Latin mass church—and some of them had the worst divorce stories I'd ever heard. 70.0 I eventually concluded that marriage just isn't a good deal for men. 80.0 Hoe_math agrees, saying it definitely feels that way, and Pearl asks him to illustrate the idea. 90.0 Hoe_math suggests making a graph about how much society forces people to stay married versus the quality of marriage. 120.0 He explains that in situations with too much force, like harems or polygamy, marriage quality is low, but with some constraints, the quality gets higher. 150.0 If there's zero force, quality is low, and if there's maximum force, it's also low; somewhere in the middle—where there are real consequences for breaking vows—marriage is happiest and best for society. 180.0 He says that some level of punishment for breaking vows actually benefits both spouses and society. 190.0 Pearl wants men to have an opt-out clause in marriage, not just women. 200.0 She describes how some women who don't want to be in a marriage can make their husbands' lives miserable, and how common it is to see disrespectful wives. 210.0 Pearl notes that once you become "red pilled," you notice how even normal wives can be very disrespectful to their husbands. 230.0 Hoe_math brings up sitcoms like "Everybody Loves Raymond," where the wife is in charge and hates her husband, reflecting real-life experiences. 250.0 He admits he doesn't know what men are supposed to do in those situations, other than try to impress their wives again, which can be nearly impossible. 260.0 Pearl points out that even someone as successful as Tom Brady got divorced, questioning what more a man could do. 270.0 Hoe_math jokes that if someone gets bored of Tom Brady, how is he supposed to "Tom Brady" even harder? 280.0 He wonders if marriage contracts could be redesigned to better fit modern human nature and society. 290.0 He mentions ideas like four-year marriage contracts, long enough to have and raise a young child, then reassess. 310.0 Pearl jokes about marriage being like a sports draft where you can get traded. 320.0 Hoe_math laughs about the idea of government-mediated wife swapping and says society will need to get creative. 330.0 Pearl suggests a review or star rating system for marriages. 335.0 She concludes that she doesn't know why a man would get married anymore. 340.0 Hoe_math says the only reason is that some men know they won't get another chance with someone as good, so they take the risk even if they know there's a 50% chance of losing everything. 360.0 He says it's not ignorance of the risk; it's that men weigh a 50% chance of losing everything against a 100% chance of never finding someone like her again. 370.0 Pearl acknowledges this reasoning. 380.0 Hoe_math says he would illustrate the marriage situation with a quality versus force graph. 400.0 Pearl sums up that the core idea is marriage just isn't a good deal for men. 410.0 Hoe_math shares that his last girlfriend wanted to marry quickly, and while he considered it, he found the prospect terrifying because of the risks. 420.0 He questions whether it's worth signing up for a 50% chance of losing everything, especially after achieving some success in life. 430.0 Pearl asks if he thinks he'd ever do it. 440.0 Hoe_math says he felt there was a good chance he might, estimating he was about 50% likely to go through with it.

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